Thoughts on the Church and the Old Testament

My newest class for Liberty is Old Testament II and is dealing with the Prophets and Poetry. I remember growing up in a church in Kansas that tended to equate the modern (particularly American) church to Old Testament Israel. I've always had problems with that idea. What was meant for Israel was meant for Israel. There is no reason for the modern church to try and supplant them. II Chronicles 7:14 is a major passage.

I specifically focused on Jeremiah 2:1-13. Click the scripture to have it open for you.

Of course I don't think that the message is completely lost on modern people, whether they are of Israel or not. The biggest thing we take away from this though is not whether the prophesy could be interpreted as for us today, but a solemn reminder that God takes faith in Him seriously. This is not a game. Unfortunately, it is a game to many modern believers, particularly in America. Christians do need to wake up and realize the truth. The truth is not that the OT prophesies relate to us, but that God does relate to use and expects serious faith. 


edwah zj said...

Faith manifest the knowledge of God and its agent is the Word of God and specifically involves what the purpose of God is revealed in the Word spoken by God.

There is no faith, for instance, in the Old Testament that speaks of the Mystery seeing that God kept hid from ages and generations the knowledge and the faith of which is spoken being revealed in the letters of Paul like here> Ephesians 3:6 which is fulfilled here. 1 Corinthians 12:12-13

The very substance of faith for this knowledge to be brought to fruition is not subsequent but initially in this faith >1Corinthians 15:3-4 the word of faith that we preach Romans10:8 which result, is to them who hear and believe resulting this > Romans 10:9-10, 2Corinthians 4:13 There is not word from God that is void of faith

The whole of the bible is inspired by God and there are in each dispensation faith but the saving faith came by one Jesus Christ of whose faith the promise of the Spirit comes upon them who believe Galatians 3:14,16,22, Ephesians 1:13 this the word of truth >1Corinthians 15:3-4

boilt frog said...

Promises to Israel are applied to the church, e.g., 2 Cor. 6:14-7:1.

I found the this post confusing, incoherent, and filled with language errors.

It is "prophecy" (noun) not "prophesy" (verb).

"I've always had problems with that idea." What problems?

"What was meant for Israel was meant for Israel." Tautology. Did you mean only for Israel?

"There is no reason for the modern church to try and supplant them." It is "try to." "[T}hem" should be "it" as Israel is singular.

"II Chronicles 7:14 is a major passage." About what?

"I specifically focused on Jeremiah 2:1-13." When, why? To what does this refer?

"The biggest thing we take away from this...." This what?

"This is not a game." Cliche

"Unfortunately, it is a game to many modern believers, particularly in America." Passive voice for no reason.

This post strikes me as a hastily written first draft. There are many unnecessary words. Rewrite this.

best blessings,


The Navy Christian said...

I will rewrite this the day you tell me who you are and where you live. Never mind that one...I already know that one.

Yes, this was hastily written. I was working more on the very basic study of Psalm 23, so this was as much filler as anything. I shall revisit it at a later date.

"Many modern American believers play games with the notion that they should take God seriously. They skirt around real faith and pay him lip service."

boilt frog said...

If it took you more than twenty mouse clicks or minutes to find out who I am and where I live, your computer skills rival mine. The internet is the betrayer of all.

Consider your post from the points of view of

Ensign Superior: "Chief,"

Seaman Noclass: "Well Chief,"

Spouse: "Daniel!"

Offspring: "Daddy, would you like to read the paper I wrote for school?"

Mentee: "Okay, I'll...."


The question you raise about the Church-Israel relationship is a profound one. Are God's people one or two? To what extent do the moral, civil (huge issue in the theonomy movement), and ceremonial laws apply to the church?

The question becomes larger when we look at the New Testament usage of the Old Testament.

I am interested in how your OT II class will deal with these issues.

Best Blessings,